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Mainly in SQ, does one provide more sound stage then the other or is it just more dependent on recording? Share This Post. Aug 19, Post 2 of Joined Oct 11, Messages 9, Reaction score Joined Oct 11, Posts 9, Likes Well the first thing to consider is that the advantages will first and foremost be apparent with well recorded albums.
One excellent site is www.Discussion in ' Audio Hardware ' started by avantiJan 21, Log in or Sign up. Steve Hoffman Music Forums. Location: Chicago metro, USA. As the question states, how much does one have to invest in a DAC to equal the smooth, natural sound of a very good vinyl playback system?
Baba like this. Location: Houston, TX. Now I have two Schiit's. The Gungnir Multibit and the Bifrost Multibit. The Gungnir is just sublime and it nearly matches my vinyl setup but exceeds it in other ways like sitting on my butt and selecting songs from my iPad. The Bifrost is nearly as good, but isn't. I have never hooked it to my main system though. Jack FlanneryJan 21, Location: Syracuse NY.
I'd love to know of one too. I have a modest vinyl rig and an Funny thing is the closest that I've heard digital get to a good vinyl setup was actually the Line Magnetic CD Player. The Rega DAC has a very nice analog sound. Helped of course with better recordings, but it doesn't add a hard edge or thin things out like some DACs, and yet it still has excellent resolution.
KT88Jan 21, LponepapatwoShak Cohen and 4 others like this. Location: Stockholm. This may sound odd, but why would You want a DAC with all the inherent problems coupled with vinyl playback. I have personally looked at the matter as the other way around, trying in getting a vinyl playback as much as possible free of the limitations inherent in vinyl playback, and more close to digital.
Trying to get a flat freq response, a high degree of channel separation, low distortion, low noise floor. But pay no attention, this is just how I personally work with getting the most out of vinyl playback. AmosMbhazen and Ntotrar like this. Location: Phoenix, AZ. Parasound, ead, sonic frontiers, theta!Ahhh vinyl. But is it better than digital music? That question depends entirely who you ask. For example, the analog nature of the format means that it will degrade over time, with increased noise and other artifacts making their way into your music after repeated listens.
Despite the typical hogwash associated with all-analog sound having some magical quality that makes it better than digital, there is actually a bit of truth to the notion because of something completely unrelated to the capabilities of each medium. Sure, a lot of people simply enjoy the ritual of thumbing through physical media, setting up the turntable, and listening to a whole album.
The rest of it dates back to sometime in the s, when the CD all but killed off vinyl in the first place. Production studios for large entertainment companies made the switch to digital, and realized that the new format afforded new ways to edit music. By doing this, you can bring the average loudness up super high—something that record execs assumed would translate into better-selling records ed.
Loud music can sound better in some instances, but when you push it too far, you lose a lot of sound quality when your listeners change the volume.
Even by conventional metrics, quality of the sound will tank the more you lean on this compression. By doing it too much, you can unintentionally add noise into your recordings by raising the levels of certain sounds, as well as cut the loudness of individual instruments where they need to stand out amongst the crowd. In short, this is a tool that should be used sparingly because it can dramatically cut the quality of a song even though the medium supports something better.
By that we mean, the difference between the quietest sound and the loudest ones will be much smaller, so the wider your dynamic range is, the more potential you have for different loudnesses in certain sounds.
This makes your recordings seem more lifelike and interesting, because it more accurately reflects what a listening environment would be. When you narrow dynamic range—making all sounds closer in loudness—it can sound very odd to the ear when sounds that are supposed to be loud are quiet, and so on. Back in the day, recording music on reel or other analog formats was fairly difficult, given that a recording could render the vinyl or tape unusable if the levels were too close to the theoretical maximum of the medium.
Consequently, mixes tended not to mess with loudness too much, for fear of actually breaking the physical copy of the music itself ed.
Analog formats have their issues, but the biggest problem is their relative fragility compared to digital.
Vinyl can still push music to the limits of its dynamic range dBbut it often shies away from doing so in order to maintain sound quality. This allowed producers of the s and s to make their tracks sound much louder than ever before. Over the period from tothe average loudness of recorded music steadily got louder and louder.
You can see it for yourself in action if you have any MP3 files lying around. Open some in your favorite editor and take a look at the waveform. Most music pre will have very jagged lines. But music that was mastered to be loud will look almost like a hamburger. Overcompressed retail release is on top blueGuitar Hero release on bottom green.
Those peaks and valleys show differences in peak loudness in the song. Over the s, songs were mastered with less and less dynamic range, all while getting louder and louder on average. Maybe it was coincidence, but vinyl began its resurgence at around the same time as recordings started this trend. The late s was the tipping point for the Loudness War, as an unlikely Hero showed music fans how badly the situation had gotten.
It featured many popular songs from the last 40 years, and in order to play the game, the developers had to re-mix the music to allow for player error to affect the playback. You see, that album was largely panned on initial release, and in no small part because it was mixed as loud as humanly possible for the medium.Deals Amazon deals Bargain threads Classified adverts.
I already have some records but not a huge collection. I have also been looking at dacs such as the Chord 2qute and Hugo, these seem to get rave reviews from everyone that has tried one and it would cost roughly the same as the Rega setup all in. The advantage of the Dac would be it would work with all my music streamed via tidalwith Vinyl I like the idea of having something that sounds different and is physical.
So the question is what would you buy and why? To my mind the question is to ask, which audio format are you willing to invest into You'd mention tidal which infers convenience of control, a wide and immediate of music at the touch of a button.
Vinyl, requires a bit more effort Are you willing to buy numerous albums on vinyl or just the occasional album now and again? If you have the money and space and you want listen to an album in its entirety, I would recommend vinyl. For immediate convenience, a good DAC will offer a good alternative. My personal preference would be streaming. What are your existing DAC and digital sources part from tidal?
What would you be using or are you using as a preamp? In what way do you feel that the new DAC would improve the sound of your current system? What are the weak points, sound quality wise, in your current system? What speakers do you currently have, in what size room, and how are they fitted to what kind of floor? How is the room furnished? Do you have any room treatment and do you currently use any room correction software?
My kit is listed in my signature, my current dac is decent as it's based on an odac so would be interesting to see how much better the chord is at over 5 times the cost. The Totems seem to work quite well as far as I can tell.
It's not that there is anything wrong with what I have, Tidal is here to stay for now as it is very convenient as sounds great too. I just fancied adding something either different or better. The other option being a Naim Flatcap but that's not as exciting an item to buy Not really questioning which is better as they are two very different things. Just more curious what others would go with given the choice.
I would audition the Chord but I would have to buy it and then send it back if I don't like it.This is a long article where I try to be as complete as possible, so feel free to skip around. A DAC simply converts a digital signal into an analog one so that your headphones can then create sound. Much like headphone amplifiersstandalone DACs came about as a response to poor audio quality at the consumer level.
Lower sample rates, badly encoded MP3s… there were tons of things that children of the 80s and 90s had to deal with when it came to audio.
Who wants to listen to low-quality tunes? But digital music has come a long way since then. Better tech has made shortcomings of even the cheapest chips almost nonexistent, while digital music has exploded in quality past the point of diminishing returns. Because DACs are a largely spec-driven item, you can almost always pick out the one you need simply by looking at the packaging.
Low bitrates a can mangle the waveform a bit, but higher bitrates b can sound better in certain circumstances. Each wave will have a crest and valley—called a period—and how many periods there are in a second is called frequency displayed as Hz. The higher the frequency, the higher the note. The job of the DAC is to take a digitally stored recording and turn it back into an analog signal.
To do that, it needs to translate the bits of data from digital files into an analog electrical signal at thousands of set times per second, otherwise known as samples. The unit then outputs a wave that intersects all those points. Before launching into the nuts and bolts of how everything works, you need to know three terms: bitratebit depthand sample rate. Bitrate simply refers to how much data is expressed per second.
Sample rate refers to how many samples of data are taken in a second, and bit depth refers to how much data is recorded per sample. So remember how I said that sample rate can lead to some problems? Jitter is one that gets a lot of attention, but not much understanding.
How much $ for a "vinyl equivalent" sounding DAC?
You don't need to worry about slight imperfections in notes near 20kHz because in all likelihood you can't hear them anyway. Jitter tends to only happen at super-high frequency notes because those notes have the shortest wavelengths. A demonstration of aliasing: waveform a and b are identical, but the low sample rate of DAC b has fooled the DAC into thinking the frequency is halved. How do you avoid this problem? Increase the sample rate of course! The more data points you have, the less likely an error will happen in a given set of frequencies.
Considering that the uppermost limits of human hearing range from kHz as in, 12, to 22, periods per seconddoubling that rate nets you somewhere within thousand samples per second, or 44kHz. That last number sound familiar? It should: This is what bad dynamic range sounds like. Dynamic range in this instance simply refers to the difference between all possible volumes of sounds in a given file.Started by cerebral over 8 years ago69 replies.
I did wonder though, how close it is to vinyl since it is "lossless". Sure, its still digital and still has a sample rate etc. But technically how close is it? Show this post I have Aiffs recorded analogue.
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Show this post I have a few Aiffs Are you trying to be all on me? Show this post cerebral I did wonder though, how close it is to vinyl since it is "lossless".
Technically it's miles apart as flac is digital and vinyl is analog.
Most flacs you'll find are 16 bit 44KHz, so it's basically comparing CD to vinyl and we all know what kind of discussion that will spawn. Show this post? I thought it was DSD Show this post cicerobuck? Direct-Stream Digital DSD is the trademark name used by Sony and Philips for their system of recreating audible signals which uses pulse-density modulation encoding, a technology to store audio signals on digital storage media that are used for the Super Audio CD SACD.
Never encountered it. Just is such a nice jump up from MP3. Show this post good questions Will FLAC is my format of choice for downloading material and sometimes for putting mixes out on soundcloud and my own space.Discussion in ' Audio Hardware ' started by audiorocksSep 17, Log in or Sign up.
Steve Hoffman Music Forums. Location: California. I recently got my first turntable and I'm pretty blown away by the sound.
Warmth, presence, detail, I've never heard music like this before. My fiance and I now listen to records at night instead of watching TV. It's great. I'm ready to dive into the world of vinyl but I've got a question for you guys before I do. I have a vast digital music collection stored on a computer that is attached to my receiver from its Sound Blaster Live sound card via a Monster Cable Y-cable. The sound card also has a digital-out, and I wonder if I bought a good digital cable, a good DAC, and a good set of interconnects, could I achieve the same level of sound quality that I get from my cheap Sony turntable.
CDs and analog vs.
Is vinyl better than streaming?
The last thing I want this thread to be is an extension of that, so I'd like to ask this question only of those who have a strong preference for the sound from a cheap turntable over the sound from a cheap CD player. Location: Luxembourg. I don't think vinyl is a full alternative to digital, unless you already have a large LP collection. It's more of a complement.
It will be difficult and in many cases impossible to find all the music you like on good and affordable vinyl. A good DAC would certainly be a huge upgrade over the Soundblaster Live analog output, if you have high quality lossless files on your PC.
You can use it for other digital sources as well. ClaudeSep 17, I personally don't believe in limiting onesself to any one form of media.